Many managers during their time on the game have called for cash investments from their owners to help progress the club. A common argument is should managers ask for investment? After all money can't buy guaranteed success and even the managers who get money given to them seem to come back wanting more. Is there an amount of money that would be considered 'enough' or will managers constantly chase their chairmen for more money.
Yet behind this argument is another one which can often be overlooked until a manager finds themselves in hot water, and by then it's far too late!! The big question is, is investment a good thing? More often than not, the loyal owners of the clubs are long serving fans who have managed to afford leading shares in the club, but rarely have excess funds to make available to their managers. While foreign investors often come in with promises of large cash amounts being made available for managers, but often expect significant returns on the pitch or in the pocket either demanding trophies, accelerated league improvements and even cash returns by taking money out the club when players are sold to line their own pockets.
So what is the best kind of chairman? There are very few who will give their manager unlimited funds and allow them all the time they need to achieve success. Is loyalty worth more than money? How costly are the catches that come with heavy investment?
These are all the sorts of questions that we'd like to discuss here. What are your views on manager-chairmen relationships, and your thoughts on investment or loyalty? Have your say in the poll, and make your opinions heard below...
-- Edited by Football Academy at 01:17, 2008-10-28
Investment can be a great thing as long as it is respected by the chairman. The Manchester City chairman has invested a safe able amount after promotion and although it was appreciated and used towards progression I dont believe it made a massive difference in todays market. I personally would have enjoyed watching my younger players develop another year rather than being rushed into decisions that I dont believe was needed because of investment. I think the club may have progressed further without the investment and less pressure from the chairman for the top 6 spot but then my plan was always a progressive team so indifferent to the chairmans maybe. Maybe I should have destroyed the talented youth I had and built a team of older players to compete but that is something I was unwilling to do.
I still believe with the money investment the clubs has moved forward massively compared to Newcastle who were in far better shape when promoted from the championship but have moved backwards while Manchester City have moved way ahead and not because of the investment.
While I have enjoyed the investment I dont think it as needed as some people think and they may be unaware of the pressure that comes with it.
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Personally, I'd much prefer a steady stream of small investment, rather than one big lump sum.
I don't think you can turn a team outside the top 3 into title winners in one season, which is what most of these foreign chairman seem to expect.
It's got to be done in steps. Obviously the size of the steps is going to be linked to the amount of investment, but if the stpe expected is too big, you're going to be on a hiding to nothing.
I much prefer building the team gradually the way i like rather than just one big splurge, if you do well and get rewarded by your board/chairman then that's fair enough but having a large investment and then your targets being made bigger and more unrealistic is not a healthy thing for me.
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I think way to much money is being taken out of F.A and very little seems to be put back in. End of season we seem to lose money and also money from the scouting system ? Where does that all go ? Also teams chairman (such as mine at Leeds,and Fiorentina when they was managerless) just seem to take money off you if your doing ok and they dont think you need it. BUT With your point to 1 lump sum im still not to sure. I think money should be given out to how well you are doing in a certain team (at the discretiny of f.a) and also how good your relationship is with the club and fans.Also European games and promotion to leagues should lead to a small investment on how weell or ambitious your chairman is. Im the only 1 so far to vote Yes, give me money to spend and I will be able to buy success for them as I think money can speak volumes, but again it all depeds on what your chairman wants by the word Success and how much time he would be willing to give you, such as youth investment
I think that teams when they get promoted especially if via the play offs are given a target to stay up although they dont get much of a cash boost as a result of getting promoted.
One suggestion would be to make the money given out to clubs via end of season payments more clear. I dont think they are published anywhere. When I got Chievo promoted via the play offs I dont think I got any money and to compete agaisnt established teams without a cash injection was extremely difficult.
However, I can see that getting money means more pressure. I think that for managers of teams promoted they should be given more either more time ie more than just one season (or even half a season as the rug was pulled from under me for being bottom of the league) or more money.
if a team gets promoted they should get a cash bonus to help them compete in the higher leagues, otherwise ull get the same few teams competing which would make the game less intresting
Teams that get promoted do get prize money, as do the teams who win competitions etc. The fact is, all end of season money is sorted at once. The problem with teams like say Chievo is that they buy in players from Serie A to get promoted, then have a small cash prize for the promotion but the large wages of the squad often cancels out that winnings, which is why it doesn't show as much of a change. If your wage bill is too high, even promotion money won't stop you making a loss, so its about balancing the books. After all, is it realistic to allow teams in the bottom league to afford to keep players who would otherwise ply their trade at the top?
Nottingham Forest went into administration, and had a strike force of Di Natale (from Serie A) Crouch (from the Premiership) and Fowler (from the scouting, but on a par with Premiership players)... and it cost them via their huge wages.
In relation to some chairman taking funds away because they don't think the team needs it, this falls in two parts. Firstly one major issue everyone brings up is the gap between bottom and top teams, so allowing Chelsea to sit with £40 million in the bank when they're top of the league already is doing no one any favours in closing that gap. Secondly it depends on the chairman but if they team is good enough to win the league, why shouldn't the chairman take some of the money out if it suits his personality? Again it comes down to what sort of chairman is at your club.
Your situation JD was similar to Simon at Arsenal. You both made it clear it was rebuilding seasons and even with both chairmen taking that into account, both of you started to underperform significantly, not slightly. Simon went one way, hit good form and got back close to his target for the season. You went the other and kept going backwards into the relegation zone. A play-off team should be able to rebuild without being threatened with relegation if theres decent assets at the club, and there were at both of the said clubs. So I'm not sure about rug pulling, but you didn't have a chairman that was able to bail you out with a huge cash boost, whether it'd have been warranted or not.
A lot of clubs for real have huge debts, which FA doesn't carry. So its not an overly unfair representation of that to have those clubs cash strapped instead of in huge debt in FA. Hopefully thats addressed some of the points raised above.
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im presumed it isnt meant to be blank? or perhaps its indicative of a wider problem with society..................................................... :)