For **** sake

Besty · Cult Status

For **** sake

Safehands · Cult Status

This has happened to me a few times in the last few seasons - so much so that ive actually stopped arranging follow on deals until I see it in black and white via completed transfers

I take the hit that team construction takes longer - but on the flip side I dont have to let anyone down off the back of something I cannot control

You could of course argue that this is how it should be done and you shouldnt be arranging deals until the money is in your account

But I would prefer for people to have some good conscious about their dealings and stick to something if agreed. As I recall from the past - I had one agreed deal that was actually stuck to even when the manager found someone he could have for cheaper. But he felt he should stick to the original deal and keep his word - that is what I would like to see more of as its what I would have done in the same situation

Feel your pain though buddy

Besty · Cult Status

I see your point Simon, and in the past i have done excatly that with new/inexperienced or unreliable managers but i have never felt the need to doubt any of the 'reliable' managers and i am sure that plenty of managers set up deals based on the agreements on other deals and 9 times out of 10 these go through no problem.

It would be easier to accept if it was an admin error like we put it through different weeks or for different amounts etc but not when they pull out because they have decided to spend the money elsewhere and dont bother telling you!

It's just ridiculously frustrating!

Fletch · Cult Status

In a way it makes it very realistic although I dont like it either. In the real world deals collapse, players stay or go, managers get a better deal elsewhere. In some respects its the managers perogative to pull out of a deal at any time but your right, its moraly wrong and im sure in the long run people will stop dealing with them so its detremental.

Jozz · Cult Status

Morally people should stand by deals that they have agreed, but I think Sim makes a fair point about arranging deals only when you have the money.

I dont know how you'd go about policing any punishmments, and whilst its so frustrating when things go wrong its part of the game.

I guess it comes down to working out who is and who is not reliable, and perhaps dealing more with managers who are reliable.

JD Wolves

richj363 · Cult Status

Besty wrote:
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richj363 wrote:
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Besty wrote:
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richj363 wrote:
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Besty wrote:
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Hi Rich,

My young CB Pearce is available, let me know if he interests you.

CB Alex Pearce (23) 7 3 6 3. Val £7.0mil

Jamie
Newcastle

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Yes interested, how much are you looking for ?

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Well i had a deal arranged for him with another manager for £12mil but he pulled out with no explanation just 40mins after confirming it! So if you can match that amount then he is yours.

Jamie

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Can give you 10.5m next week.

Rich

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I would accept £11.5mil no less, i am selling one of my other CB so Pearce is more important to me than letting him go cheap. If you can go to £11.5mil he is yours Rich.

Jamie

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Ok will confirm next week.

Rich

WHERE DOES IT SAY DEAL AGREED ????

GarethGardner · Cult Status

Real frustrating part of the game, Iv had lots of arguements about it, but this time it looks as if wires have been crossed between you 2 managers.
Think you should sort it out in private pms mind and not on here.

Besty · Cult Status

You said "Ok will confirm next week", in the context of the discussion where in the message previous i had said that if you can give me £11.5mil then you have a deal, i felt that you were saying Ok (we have a deal) will confirm next week (as i do with most managers confirm that the deal has been put on the team sheet). Surely if you weren't agreeing to the deal you would have said i wil let you know or something similar as opposed to ok i wil confirm next week.

Maybe it is just poor communication, as i have said in the past i have known you to be a reliable manager Rich, i am just frustrated that this has now happened twice and i know i am not the only person that feels he has been let down by other managers this season.

richj363 · Cult Status

I would of put confirmed for next week and not that I would confirm.

Mix up on context I think.

Sorry I have let you down, think its first time ever.

Rich

Fletch · Cult Status

Ahhhh Group Hug (((())))

Safehands · Cult Status

One salient point here Gents - PM stands for Private Message and the clue is in the title

Id be very angry if private messages were made public to prove a point

Not having too much of a pop at Rich here - he is merely a good example! :)

JOP · Cult Status

True Simon, but I see Rich's point in defending his self on here too though.

I think there should be an unwrittern rule of: Until you have 'Its a deal' in writing then nothing is certain!

This sounds like a mix up to be honest its just a pitty it had to be openly discussed and not sorted between managers.

Anyway Besty, 8m for Pearce this week? lol

Besty · Cult Status

I was never going to name Rich on here it was just a case that i had been let down and i know of at least two other managers that have had people pull out of deals so i felt i needed to express my frustration! Me and Rich have spoken in private and we have agreed that it was just poor communication on both our parts so no more will be said about it.

And Jop, no!

JOP · Cult Status

I wish managers would just stop pulling out so suddenly....it makes a mess and takes a while for other people to clean up....

JOP · Cult Status

Its worst when its obvious and right in your face....

Luke_C · Cult Status

I mainly deal with certain managers because I don't like being let down. It would have to be a good deal for me to deal with someone unreliable.

Stu · Cult Status

I dont agree with you Simon about private messaging. Terry started throwing accusations around at me for letting him down when all the messages showed different so why not put them in the public domain I think if a manager is willing to make an issue public when the private messages dont support them why not be able to clear your name?

To be fair to Jamie he didnt mention Rich but I understand why Rich posted them

Managers need to be careful groups will form around academies linking teams academies feeder clubs and chairmen. If you go back on too many peoples deals you exclude yourself from group after group

Stu

Tezza · Cult Status

On a more positive note sometimes the let down can be a blessing.

I have managed to complete three deals this week with some very reliable managers.

Many thanks to

JohnD at Wolves, Dan at Celta Viga and Jamie at Newcastle.

Terry.

belizeno · Cult Status

Fletch wrote:
Ahhhh Group Hug (((())))

are you the new moderator or something?

Jozz · Cult Status

Cheers Terry wink

Just to say - I disagree with Sim in that I think that PMs can be used to make a point - but in the right circumstances.

JD Wolves

Safehands · Cult Status

Stu / JD

It is indeed your perogative to disagree - but I disagree with your dissagreement :)

PM's should always be private - you can defend yourself via other means if that is neccessary

Cheers!

S

belizeno · Cult Status

private is something that is up to discretion.. what should be private for me doesnt necessarily mean its private for you

bigwave1927 · Cult Status

Tezza wrote:
On a more positive note sometimes the let down can be a blessing.
I have managed to complete three deals this week with some very reliable managers.
Many thanks to
JohnD at Wolves, Dan at Celta Viga and Jamie at Newcastle.
Terry.

Excuse me. Where is my mention?????????

Tezza · Cult Status

Dave,

Your deal goes through this week? I hope.

I am very grateful for your support.

Terry.