Team Sheet change?

Football Academy · Cult Status

Team Sheet change?

Luke_C · Cult Status

I dont like being the first to go but...

hhhmmmm I think the magin for error on this is pretty big - I appreciate that it down to the manager to make sure everything is spot on and you have everything correct and the right numbers added but would be a shame if someone lost the league/got relagated whatever because they seen teh wrong number ot clicked one down by mistake - itsd pretty difficult to check - although i accept that maybe is the job of the manager

Currently I copy and paste names over to the teamsheet - I find when I see the team that way it gives me a chance to asses things and maybe change before submiting - something else id miss.

If it speeds up the teamsheet a lot then maybe its worth a risk I dont know lol

Bluebird99 · Cult Status

The team sheet foor me only takes around 1-2 minutes anyway as I just copy and paste. I like it the way it is and dont really see a need for a change as for me, its fine the way it is

mg1 · Cult Status

Anything that helps the game run more smoothly sounds good to me.

I'd say give squad numbers a go if there is not a better solution

SteW · Top Flight Player

If it makes it easier for you, go for numbers.

Safehands · Cult Status

Im for it personally on the basis that it speeds up the results

Id also be happy to trial it as well and live by the consequences of ****ing it up?

Surely it only takes a bit of getting used to (like most things in life) and you could just keep an offline excel sheet of your players and there numbers and it woud become like clockwork after a while

If the results could then be done in a few hours - I think that can only be a positive thing

Im sure that Mark will back me up as well. When you run anything (BTO being my example) - ANYTHING that shortens the "admin" time is a benefit and keeps it from becoming a chore

Perhaps (depending on the response it gets here) we could trial it with one league and iron out any teething troubles with Rich - and then it could be rolled out across the other leagues if it proves a success?

cheers

Luke_C · Cult Status

My guess is most would prefer to keep it as it is but it depends how much easier it makes it for you?

Ashley-ccfc16' · Cult Status

takes me 30 seconds, Write it up a word and copy and paste each time :)

Football Academy · Cult Status

Luke I see your point, thats why I've got it down under potential problems that there is room for error as you may not notice where as you might with names. But people do sometime copy and past 1 name twice anyway.

Also, you say you have the Team Sheet page open when filling in the form, so instead of copying names would it not be the same to just copy over numbers? If not say so, but if you've got the team sheet open anyway this should reduce the risk of wrong number choice?

I may set out a dummy run in one of the league. Squad numbers can be put right next to player names on the team sheets, so it's very obvious who is what number - to hopefully avoid mistakes. It would have to be an active league to get manager feedback, because a dummy run would just test manager use of it, not the speed issue. That rules out Serie B and Segunda though due to a lot of new managers in there.

Richard.

mg1 · Cult Status

Safehands wrote:

Im for it personally on the basis that it speeds up the results

Id also be happy to trial it as well and live by the consequences of ****ing it up?

Surely it only takes a bit of getting used to (like most things in life) and you could just keep an offline excel sheet of your players and there numbers and it woud become like clockwork after a while

If the results could then be done in a few hours - I think that can only be a positive thing

Im sure that Mark will back me up as well. When you run anything (BTO being my example) - ANYTHING that shortens the "admin" time is a benefit and keeps it from becoming a chore

Perhaps (depending on the response it gets here) we could trial it with one league and iron out any teething troubles with Rich - and then it could be rolled out across the other leagues if it proves a success?

cheers

It sure does.

If taking a little extra care checking teamsheets every week helps things, why not give it a go? if it helps get the results out earlier its got to be worth a go.

I'd happily help trial it aswell

Safehands · Cult Status

I know I have played Fagregas twice on more than one occasion - so it might help me out to have numbers......................... :)

Luke_C · Cult Status

Luke I see your point, thats why I've got it down under potential problems that there is room for error as you may not notice where as you might with names. But people do sometime copy and past 1 name twice anyway.

Also, you say you have the Team Sheet page open when filling in the form, so instead of copying names would it not be the same to just copy over numbers? If not say so, but if you've got the team sheet open anyway this should reduce the risk of wrong number choice?

I may set out a dummy run in one of the league. Squad numbers can be put right next to player names on the team sheets, so it's very obvious who is what number - to hopefully avoid mistakes. It would have to be an active league to get manager feedback, because a dummy run would just test manager use of it, not the speed issue. That rules out Serie B and Segunda though due to a lot of new managers in there.

Yeah Im not against the idea at all but in a way playing the devils as generally even if i dont pick something up someone else may from something Ive said etc etc

Generally I think well find its easier to skim a teamsheet with names than numbers. Of course I havent done the numbers yet so I cant be certain. For me I believe mistakes will be made but on the flip side maybe thats the managers fault as we should be very precise.

Also im thinking this could be something that new managers find a bit confusing maybe? How many read the rules but im sure they would cotton on

Thinking out load would it be easier to copy and paste numbers rather than having a drop down menu? (or does that take away the point) I always think drop down menus are so easy to click a wrong number either side of what you want.

At the end of the day people in general dont like changeif we had numbers from the start and tried to change it to names we wouldnt like it lol

Just thinking out loud really hoping someone will come up with a better answer

Besty · Cult Status

Personally i think it's a great idea, anything that speeds up the game sounds good to me. I also think the trial idea is a good one as any negatives can be highlighted and then we can assess more clearly whether it would be viable or not, as at the moment we are just guessing at problems and positives.

GarethGardner · Cult Status

Go for it Rich. It will make life a hell of a lot easier for you and quicker running time of the game means quicker results for us. It cant be hard just checking squad numbers aslong as they are written on the team sheet.
The only thing i wont like is if its in transfers, Say for eg swap number 11 of Celta Vigo for nuber 13 of Arsenal, i think we should keep to names then
Going for the trial sounds good to see how people get on. Im up for trialling it in the Segunda

Football Academy · Cult Status

I'm timing how long it takes just to run the results this week and will post the timing. This will hopefully let you see how much of the time is split between uploading team sheets into the engine, and how much is actually running the games with the upgrades I've made to it now.

Also, I can add a system to the engine to read the numbers, where as I can't for the names due to people potentially mistyping player names, so at the moment it's more manual uploading than I'd like - hence the time it takes.

I may trial it this coming week in one league.

Richard.

Liam · Cult Status

I think numbers is a good idea, but the margin for error will be greater. What if the manager selects the players' numbers? If this is possible, then when a new player arrives and all the numbers wouldn't be pushed up 1, and if any numbers are misinterpreted, the manager is the only person to blame (aswell as he/she is for clicking on the wrong number).

Football Academy · Cult Status

Took me 1 hour 3 minutes to run all the games once the team sheets were loading in. So you can see how long the team sheet loading currently takes.

Richard.

Football Academy · Cult Status

A test run form will be set up over the weekend to trial the new number system. All teams now have squad numbered players.

I like the idea of managers picking their own numbers Liam, but it introduces a problem of how can the manager easily pick a number without creating more work, and will new managers just miss out giving players numbers?

The number column has gone right in near the names, to try and avoid people using the wrong number.

Richard.

Safehands · Cult Status

Hi Rich

I have done numbers (and then names) on my cupsheet in case you wanted to test anything

cheers

Sim

Football Academy · Cult Status

The form has been altered. Feel free to leave comments in here about it, but I will trial it ans see if it works and if it throws up any problems. Any urgent problems and you can email me.

Richard.

Luke_C · Cult Status

Ive done my cup teamsheet with names already, does ot need to be re-done with numbers?

Ashley-ccfc16' · Cult Status

Can we still use players names instead of numbers?

Liam · Cult Status

I am away this week Rich, and have put my two teamsheets in as advised by you, but I only put through names and no numbers!

Also, with the picking of numbers, At the beginning of the season, there is always a gap week. Couldn't managers submit a teamsheet stating the numbers they wanted players to be during this gap? Also, when a player signs mid-season, when they put the deal through on the transfer section, couldnt the new number be stated in there or the comments section at the same time?
With new managers, if they don't pick numbers, then they could always be selected as they appear down the list?

Football Academy · Cult Status

No you don't Luke.

But from now on (unless this change is removed) if you send teams in for games in the future ie. you're away on holiday, you'll need to email me using names, as the numbers will change if you make any transfers of course.

Richard.

richj363 · Cult Status

I personally think the numbers system is good and if it makes things quicker and easier for Rich then thats even better.

One thing that has confused me slightly is that in the Villa/ Sheff Wed game Gattuso scored 2 and Owen assisted but neither were in the team !!!

Not sure how this happened

Fletch · Cult Status

Hi

Has this had an effect on the previous line up situation, some teams in my division have their previous line up marker and some dont ?

dirkdiggler · World Class Player

I think those that don't have line-up markers were not involved in the cup games. It must have just removed the previous league match line-ups when the cup games were played.

Fletch · Cult Status

Oh I didnt think of cups but it was 50/50 in my league

Jozz · Cult Status

No Markers are showing on any of the Serie B team sheets so Im going to email Rich about it.

JD

Simon · Cult Status

Could be because there were cup games on monday and I doubt anyone outside of the top leagues are in Europe...

CRadford7 · Cult Status

Jozz wrote:

No Markers are showing on any of the Serie B team sheets so Im going to email Rich about it.

JD

I think its the same for all leagues JD!

Football Academy · Cult Status

They've been removed for the time being, see the Football Academy main section on here for reasons why which were posted at the weekend.

Link here.

Richard.

-- Edited by Football Academy on Tuesday 21st of July 2009 12:35:56 PM

Besty · Cult Status

Rich, I have noticed that lately the update has taken quite a while, normally over a couple of days. I appreciate that FA Radio needs to be done first so that those who payed for a channel get their games first, but i thought that this number system would improve the speed of the uploading team sheets etc so it would all be done much quicker. I am not having a go as i and i'm sure all the other managers appreciate the time and effort you put into the team but it has taken quite a while to update recently.

Football Academy · Cult Status

Hi,

No problem with people raising these questions!! This is down to a mixture of two things:

Firstly, this season I've been a season ticket holder for Cardiff City, and as I don't live anywhere near Cardiff, when I go to home games that pretty much takes out a whole day. For example this weekend I went to the Welsh derby, and as such had no time during Saturday to do anything on FA. I haven't renewed for next season though, so after the season ends (and Cardiff have been promoted to the Premiership!!) this won't be a factor anymore.

Second is simply manager numbers. The engine is set up that it would take me 5 minutes to load up every single team sheet into the engine, as they transfer directly now (thanks to the numbers) into the engine. The reason it takes longer, is when I have to fill in numbers for unmanaged teams. So the more managers, actually, the less time it will take me - as strange as that may sound. Hopefully we'll get a few more new managers in before the end of the season as I cleared the last batch of inactive people - so if you know anyone who might be interested, get them involved before the new season kicks off!!

Hope that helps.

Richard.