Hi

Will a players mentality ever change? I cant see anything in the rules about that.

Cheers JD Wolves

There isn't really a need for reduced academies.

I even checked and Catania did have rating changes.

Player mentality can change with age or time in a team, but some players change at different speeds.

Richard.

Good work Rich, looking forward to this season very much with the new changes and loving being at Napoli.

 

Ive got my real coaching badges does that count

-- Edited by Fletch on Tuesday 11th of October 2011 08:33:43 AM

And some will get worse !!

I am so looking forward to playing Catania this year, 6 points deffo !!!

Random Youth........

Just a quick thought.

Having been a manager in the lower leagues one of the great times to look forward to was at the half way point and at end of season.

Would you get a diamond through?, could you sell him on to help build a new team?, would your new superstar push you on for promotion etc blah blah blah

I understand the point of an academy as I have one myself but.......is this not taking something away from this great game of ours rather than adding to it??

Just a thought and I would be interested to see what you guys think?

Ray

I am with these two.

I don't have an Academy and it was something to look forward to.

To have a gem dropped on you can not only change the season but the future.

Lets keep the Lottery.

I third/fourth Ray's concerns! Updates were always exciting, ive had one or two top players that i've sold on and made my experience in the game much better as I was able to do transfers/ win some games!

Surely theres excitement now, not knowing how good an academy player is.
Yes i agree a random youth player used to be exciting, but i dont believe it will be missed because as Rich said, these players will come through your academy
Managers in lower leagues just need to use their club as a stepping stone to bigger things. When your big move comes, you can then use your wages to build better things

I agree with Ray actually.

I too have an academy and have promoted so e players from it, however mid point for youth players to come through is a major thing.

You only have to look at Palermo, Arsenal and in recent season Everton for the results and the help this has given them.

Im actually thinking quite selfishly as I am concerned about Pedro not coming through.

I think the benefit to clubs, with these players coming through is huge. I personally am not sure that should be scrapped.

Ta
Adam

I agree that waiting for the updates to see if a gem of a player was introduced to the squad added extra excitement.

However the new academy system is an enhacement of the old way and adds its own level of excitement. You are now in full control of your culb and have to use your judgement and trust your scout to pick the best players to keep. You could end up with an excellent player or an average joe which is the same as before. It gets interesting when you decide to sell a player and find that you got rid of a good player.

I no longer have the funds to buy an academy but can buy players from other clubs in the hope that they release the wrong player.

The rules say your director improves your players so now we have a lot more control over how our young players turn out. Before it was a little like if your player was rubbish in real like they would be rubbish when they came in as a random player. Now the teams who produce no good young players in real life have a chance of getting a better player if they have a good director and leave him there to improve him.

You mentioned the old way helped Arsenal and I think all the Arsenal managers have got good random players because in real life Arsenal produce good players. Is that fair on teams who produce none of their own players in real life? Now there is the chance if I mess up that I stop the growth of Arsenal players and they turn out worse or maybe even better than if they had come through randomly. I like that the changes have given me more control and I can plan what youth players I promote. It should only disadvantage teams who need a great youth player to appear because they have no plan.

Teams will start to use their academy as a bargaining tool. Chris has a first option to buy players who come out of my academy if their stats are not good enough for Arsenal. In his contract we agreed a percentage of the players price that he would have to pay and that will help me sell on players who do not make the grade here to pay to run a big academy but it helps him at a much smaller team like Murcia because he signs players who improve his team at a competitve rate. Murcia would probably lose out on those players in an open transfer market to a bigger team or they would be forced to over pay. When Murcia do not need that option any more because they are too good we will be able to pull more small teams in to our group of clubs on a similar deal. None of this could be done with the old way. Both ways have their pros and cons but it should be about how you manage the new situation to best aid your team. If my way fails other teams using their academy in other ways will get much more from the new way but that shows they will have managed their team better.

Football Academy wrote:

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"As part of the update though, a new option to sell academy players to other clubs direct without passing through your first team is hopefully being put in place."

Clubs can choose to operate their own academy, link up with a bigger club and pick up players from that academy as part of a deal, look for academy players teams are unlikely to promote and make bids for them, or sign players when they are released from the academy on a free.

The change will give managers more power over what sort of youth player comes into their squad.

There are some players not in the game yet but a lot of the youth pools that generate the random youth players are drying up now, and the players I'm adding in the refreshes are players who could quite easily go into the new youth academy system. There is nothing to say an 18 year old for example who might be in the youth pool can't be moved into the academy system and just dropped to a 14 year old to start out. FA ages faster than real life anyway so ages don't match up perfectly to real life.

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Nothing new really has been added here compared to the previous discussion, so above is the reply I took the time to post in that discussion.

The only extra point is the trickle down effect that will happen. Like in real life players who don't cut it immediately at top clubs will be sold. The likes of Eagles aren't good enough for Man United but happily play Premiership football elsewhere. The main thing is the squad limit of 22. Top clubs will only be able to carry a certain amount of youngsters for the future without selling top players. If they want a high rated 11, plus cover in all positions thats about 18 spaces of top quality. That leaves the top sides 4 youth spots. If they invest heavily in their academy they could be producing 10 academy players every 2/3 seasons, these would either replace the 4 youth players already there or they would be sold off. That means they're basically producing youth that will end up in other clubs not their own. This is like real life where a lot of clubs have very limited academies anyway and simply pick from teams with good academies. Crewe should be an example for small teams to copy - a way to work a low budget club with a top quality academy. The fact the trickle down effect is limited is because the top teams are only just filling up their squads with the extra 4 or so youth players from their academies as the feature's only been in the game a season.

Spend money wisely on an academy now and manage it to reap the rewards in the future, or wait for the trickle down effect to kick on properly. Other than that, people are jumping the gun massively with little forward planning going on.

There's no place for random youth players now, no one has come up with a proper argument for them to be reinstated yet so no time is being spent on it as a future feature. Any work is going on other areas.

Richard.