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OFFIT · Cult Status

average season form i would prefer.

JOP · Cult Status

Average for me mate. WHy don't you chuck a poll up?

Football Academy · Cult Status

Poll added. If you have any comments regarding your choice, pop them down here.

Richard.

Luke_C · Cult Status

Im going to say average just because (correct me if im wrong) I dont think current form has an impact on the next game? so would be sort of pointless in some ways.

I think average gives you more insight into the player and his form.

Football Academy · Cult Status

Form should be used as a review of the players performance not as a direct indicator of upcoming form.

The advantage with last match form is you can see specific to that match, where as with average form later in the season that might not change much.

The advantage with average form is you get a sense of the whole season, where as last match form unless noted down would then be lost the next week replaced with the new match rating.

I think its down to managers preference as both will do a similar job really.

Richard.

Luke_C · Cult Status

Good points Rich

Still Average form for me.

cheers

SteW · Top Flight Player

If you did last match, we could keep an excel spreadsheet which would tell us the average for the season.

Luke_C · Cult Status

FaIr point Stew but as well as your own players wouldnt you be just as interested in other teams players form....maybe the team you play or a player youw ould like to sign?

GarethGardner · Cult Status

Waht if you could do something like they do on the old championship manager games and the form from the last 5 games ? Or would that be to much work ? Iv voted for last game form by the way

Tezza · Cult Status

I would agree something similar to Gareth. Form for the past month,ish. It does help with your team selection. It is not a definite stat, but what is?
Tezza

GarethGardner wrote:

Waht if you could do something like they do on the old championship manager games and the form from the last 5 games ? Or would that be to much work ? Iv voted for last game form by the way

Jozz · Cult Status

Hi

I had voted for avaerage form, but thinking about it if a player has a high score for his form for the last game then Id be more likely to pick him, so perhpas form from the last game would be better. However, is there any way of adding both or will that just be too much information on the teamsheets and/or too much work?

JD Napoli

Luke_C · Cult Status

But just because he played well in the last game it doesnt mean he will the next game as form has no effect...at least with average form you can make jusgement on his general form.

evertonian · Cult Status

Man_City wrote:

But just because he played well in the last game it doesnt mean he will the next game as form has no effect...at least with average form you can make jusgement on his general form.

If form has no effect, why do we need a form stat?

Luke_C · Cult Status

No it has no effect on the next game.....

an average rating will at least show how good he has been throughout the season and give idea on a players form throughout the season.

Simon · Cult Status

I really dont think there should be one - a player's performance is all relative to the players around him - an average ST in a top team will play poorly, while an average player in a poor team will score a lot of goals.

Or a good ST in a team that has a midfield with lots of passing bonuses would score much more than a very good ST who is playing behind a poor CM, or one with shooting bonuses.

It will also depend on what tactics are played - a ST with shooting bonuses wont score as much if he's playing in a team playing counter attack, and a player with speed bonuses wont score as much in a team playing distance shooting.

So ratings wont aid managers, as it will be good for those who also look at the players around them - something you can do anyway with just the stats as they are at the moment

-- Edited by Simon at 17:34, 2008-10-23

Luke_C · Cult Status

Good points Simon but may help managers with there own team selection?

Simon · Cult Status

yeh, I suppose - but people were talking as if it were a way to judge a player's quality - and I dont think it would work like that

It would be useful to have a previous game rating because then you could see which stike partnership worked best, or something like that. But in terms of judging your own team, surely their position in the league would tell you how well they played?

Luke_C · Cult Status

Yeah I dont think it could be used to judge a players quality alone.

Not really...for all I know Ianotti (my LM) could be playing really badly for me but the likes of Iniesta, Aimar and Aqualini have kept my team afloat. Could give me an inight into changing Ianotti or maybe changing formation to suit the better players or the players who are playing well.

Jozz · Cult Status

I am now confused about how a form stat will effect things as Man City says it has no effect on the next game. Surely this is not right because if the form he had in the previous game does not affect anything in the future I dont see the point of it?? weirdface

Perhaps Richard could clarify the whole idea before he introduces it so its clear.

Cheers JD Napoli

Football Academy · Cult Status

If a player in real life plays well one week what does it tell you? It tells you he had a good game, maybe that he was suited to the set-up (formation, team mates etc.) around him... it doesn't guarentee he will play well next weekend though.

The idea of form is to act in this way, and help managers evaluating their team for the next match. I assume you look at who plays well via who is scoring goals, setting them up, whether clean sheets have been kept etc? If so, a form stat would give you another way of evaluating players in this way.

As Talent has no effect on match games because it is totally used for player growth, so form would have no effect during the 90 minutes on the pitch, but would be used in other ways - ie. aid evaluation by the manager.

Obviously if people don't think this would be useful, it won't be added. But something thats been asked for numerous times is player ratings in the results pages to see who played well - so this is a development on that idea.

Richard.

Luke_C · Cult Status

I personally love the idea - (hope I havent confused matters )

Average still for me :)

Jozz · Cult Status

Hi Richard

Sorry if I sounded like a numbskull but your explanation has helped. Having seen what you say it would be a good addition to the game. I think avaerage form would be better than form in the last game, although if both can be added then that would be better.

Cheers JD Napoli

Football Academy · Cult Status

I have tried adding both and it looks quite cluttered on the team sheet page, plus the less rows the less scrolling managers have to do, and the easier it is to compare players. Average Form will obviously be a little irratic at the start of the seasons where as Last Match Form is very zoomed in on the most recent performace so prior ratings would get lost unless managers note them down.

Having a previous 5 game form would be a middle ground, but I haven't been able to get that into the engine how I have these other 2 so its not an option right now, although I'll keep fiddling with the form away from the game and see if its something I can do for the future.

Richard.